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ready we're going all right I have

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Randall Nickerson and Selma siddik

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welcome to the show you both hello good

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to see you

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I know we have to share a microphone all

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right so if you are regular on my show

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you listen to some aback I think was it

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was it a year ago I thought it was like

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October or something yeah and it was

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wonderful it's so nice to meet you nice

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to meet you as well

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yeah and so you were telling me earlier

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you you've had quite a bit of response

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since sub you were actually on on my

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show can you talk about that yeah

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Wow so since I was on your show I have

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had an overwhelming number of people

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reach out to me via many social media

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channels just saying that they

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appreciated the show they appreciated me

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telling the story they appreciated the

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movie coming out and that it inspired

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them to share their story many of whom

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did share their story with me I'll share

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and so it was it was just it was it's

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been incredible just to know that they

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are the people out there who have had

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similar experiences some of whom

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continue to have experiences and who are

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willing to talk about them and and

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appreciate the fact that that I'm

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sharing mine so it was it was a lot of

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love and I appreciate it little

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overwhelming but no any regrets at all

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for that I'm coming on the show no no

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because I think everybody deserves an

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opportunity to say what they want to say

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and I think I do at least I tried to do

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a very good job of you know hearing

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people out saying thank you and you know

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I don't need to friend everybody but I

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think that sometimes or a lot of times

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all people want is just to be heard and

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so I think if you have a similar

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experience and you're sharing your

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experience with someone else who has had

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something similar or you want it's just

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it's that connection and I think that

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that's that that's okay I love it I

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don't regret it at all not yet

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have a that your email address or

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nothing was posted there so they just

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find you on facebook because that is not

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hard to find anybody these days you

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literally have to be off the grid like

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literally even if there were no there

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was no like actual physical contact you

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just need someone's face you can google

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image the person and you know you you

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can find somebody so no people have

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reached out to me in various ways it's

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you know we're at work as common

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knowledge I was gonna ask about work

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it's a and did we did people were people

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aware at work since you started working

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wherever you're working what what had

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happened or did that actually come out

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slowly or actually before I came on your

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show why I let my supervisor know well

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because that just for PR purposes of

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course I wanted I wanted her to know

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going in that that this was a

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possibility you know obviously I'm not

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gonna talk necessarily it's not about

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where I work but somebody could ask that

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which i think is relevant I think my

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choice to do the work that I do has a

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lot to do with my experience and where

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I'm from and I think just Who I am

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but my experience as an 11 year old at

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school in the playground that day has

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definitely shaped and informed a lot of

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what I do so not everybody at work knows

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I don't think they need to but the

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people who do know what they need to

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know and it's been very supportive so

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I'm very grateful for the person that

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hasn't heard your story that I know I'm

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gonna get a lot of email if I don't ask

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you to just kind of in a nutshell

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explain what you what what your

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experience was if you wouldn't mind sure

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you know summary of it just because I

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spoken about it so much and it's not

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that I mind is that I I honestly have to

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get into a mindset to do that because

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it's not I don't dwell on it every day

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so it's almost like I have to get into a

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meditative state to to be like okay this

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is what I'm going to do which is

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probably why I spent most of the day in

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the hotel room today I really really am

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but basically in a nutshell we

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were having our recess I was 11 years

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old in a rural town of Zimbabwe called

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Rua the school used to be a farm so it

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was a pretty rural school and very small

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at the time it was very I'm still fairly

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new so I think Rani

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Randall told me that they weren't they

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weren't more than 200 students I thought

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it was three but I think it was 280 or

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something there we go

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so not a lot style classes were pretty

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small but we were having recess and I

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was with my usual friends as you do we

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eating our lunch and we saw something

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shiny a ways away in in the bush it was

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pretty much bush because apart from the

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playground it was all it was it's a

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savanna region so there was very tall

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grass and a lot of trees and a lot of a

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lot of like copies which I guess I like

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it's a very like a stony hill so a lot

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of granite rock so we saw something

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shiny over on these copies and then it

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was flashing you could see it and then

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you couldn't see it or it could have

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actually been flashing we couldn't I

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can't I still don't know today but it

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was incredibly incredibly bright and

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very different from anything we had seen

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before and then my friend who I was

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standing next to she and I saw like a

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being I guess and if there were multiple

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beings I don't know but they all looked

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exactly the same and you actually walk

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toward the object we did not walk

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towards the object we walked toward the

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the barrier of the playground which is

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sort of where the beam was but not cross

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the barrier we didn't cross the barrier

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so it was really a lot of you know we

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were inquisitive what what is this I

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don't know what this isn't it's sort of

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you know any human being is going to try

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and rationalize what it is that they're

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seeing and as an 11 year old we couldn't

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couldn't really put into words what it

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was we were seeing and trying to justify

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it and so you know it was very and like

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a really big head really big eyes if it

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did have a nose couldn't really see it

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but also that but the skin pigmentation

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was very very different it was very odd

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it was nothing like I'd ever seen before

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and the closest thing that I could

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compare what it was wearing would be

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something like a scuba diving suit it

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was just very form-fitting very black

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shiny at times but I don't know if that

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was just a sudden it was a pretty pretty

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warm day it was a beautiful day every

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day is beautiful in Zimbabwe actually so

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it was it was just a very normal day and

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then this happened it was very very

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immense very intense and Kaylee has

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changed my life

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so in a nutshell that's it yeah did you

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did you walk away when this was

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happening or did you stay there until it

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walked away or turned away or went away

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yeah no I actually I actually broke my I

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lock with it because I wanted to go and

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check on my brother and sister who were

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much younger and playing in a different

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part of the playground because I felt

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that if I was afraid then they must be

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terrified too but there are a lot of

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other things that happened during this

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interlocking moment that I go into and

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in my piece tomorrow but once I let go

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of my friends hand and I disconnected

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from that gaze which was not an easy

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thing to do at all I feel like it took

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every ounce of effort and energy from me

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and I felt absolutely exhausted

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afterward I didn't see it again well now

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someone I had a lot of critics from the

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last interview did with you and a lot of

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it one of the things had one of the

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people made a really good point you

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mentioned that there was no telepathic

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message to you and someone wanted to

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know why you thought there was no

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telepathic when other people had it I

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think that's a great question um so this

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is something I've been I've been

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pondering over especially since your

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podcast and in talking more about what

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happened and being a lot older now

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trying to figure some pieces out I think

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if I did get a message I don't remember

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so because I don't remember doesn't mean

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it didn't happen but I think that the

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fact that I disconnected this

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interlocking moment has a lot to do with

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it but honestly during that moment I

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don't know that and I don't know how

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long that moment was for I could not

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tell you my sense of time was completely

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warped everything slowed down and I

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couldn't hear a thing this is a

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playground full of children of course

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they were they were kids playing on this

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side and they were some other kids who

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were very confused by what was going on

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and some started to cry so there was

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definitely noise but I couldn't hear a

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thing so I think me breaking breaking

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the locked gaze has a lot to do with it

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but I don't want to sit you and say that

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it was easy because it wasn't

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I have never I have never felt so tired

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and drained in all my life really yes

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yes

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and you probably it was totally confused

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by why that was yes I couldn't might so

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I the this is a very interesting thing

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that I'm actually I just came in to like

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I was talking about it yesterday and I

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was like my heartbeat in my you know you

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can hear your heartbeat when it's been

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really fast I've definitely had

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publications in that moment even though

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everything was slowed down which was so

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trippy I don't even know how to describe

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like but I just remembered this

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yesterday and so as what I'm realizing

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is as I'm talking more about the

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incident which I never really did on

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this much of a scale before and and as

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in-depth and I'm not older and I'm able

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to I think do a lot of inner assessment

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and an outer assessment that it really

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it really it helps me to be able to dig

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into things that I maybe wasn't I wasn't

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ready to tap into before so I definitely

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appreciate that and I appreciate having

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this platform to like really unwind and

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talk about some things that um maybe I

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didn't want I didn't want to think about

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before because I I don't know how to

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make sense

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of it has anyone ever asked you to do

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regression yes and what's your thoughts

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on that no okay

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not yet yeah no III are you are you

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afraid that there's something hidden

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that you might discover that's that

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you're afraid of yes I understand I'm

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not ready to face that yet

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sure but I will me I'm not saying it's

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no forever I would like to do a little I

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would like to do a lot more research

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into what that entails and I want to be

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able to trust the person that's doing it

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it's not just gonna be some random

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person so I also am aware that you know

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once you know something you can't unknow

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it mm-hm and I don't think it's that I'm

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afraid of knowing

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I think it's that I'm afraid that I

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won't know what to do with what I know

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and I'm somebody who I like to I'm a

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very I'm a proactive person I'm all

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about action and and and I like to be

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you know I like to progress and so I

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want to be sure that I am mentally

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physically emotionally spiritually ready

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before I can tackle anything else that

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could come out of this regression of

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which I am I'm convinced that there'll

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be a lot yeah

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absolutely well that's great thank you

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so much thank you so Randall let's talk

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about your I was telling you earlier

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kind of teasing you that every show that

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I do seems someone saying when's the

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film coming out wins a film coming out

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so aerial phenomenon you've been working

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at it for ten years ten years and I will

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say to the audience that I know that

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you're extremely fussing what you do and

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it's gonna be amazing production so can

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you just fill us in where it where

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everything stands yeah yeah I just want

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to say everybody that knows me everybody

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that knows me knows I'm a perfectionist

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yes and you know some people do get

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annoyed at that but yeah it's you know I

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you know I know people have been waiting

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for this I I do understand that but I

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feel like I feel I actually feel proud

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that it's taking this long in a sense

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because because of its been done right

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and I feel like yeah it's just a lot of

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work I'm a little exhausted I've been

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working 11 to 8 o'clock in the morning

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to 11:00 at night for I don't even know

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how long now months and but we're very

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close you like you know desolation of

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yours too right it is yeah it is I mean

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just listening to her salma be able to

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say what she just said and have getting

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the feedback that she's been getting and

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having other people [\h__\h] be able to

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share their stories that and that means

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the world to make sure that means so

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much more to this in just a film right

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it's about it's about having people be

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able to be heard and you said it

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perfectly

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and so yeah well this year definitely is

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gonna be the year man I can definitely

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positively say that and have like 200

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days left or even less than that

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yeah yeah so actually one hundred and

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one hundred and thirty days or something

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like that yeah so yeah exactly right so

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on him down so yeah I mean at some point

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soon it's I'm not gonna even know when

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the decision will not just be my

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decision as far as yeah release date

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well we'll stay in touch for sure I will

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definitely help you in that it's really

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but I'm so excited for people to see it

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because it's yeah it's a you know it's a

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powerful story it's a work of art it's

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I've had just great people working on it

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and and so much help from so many people

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you know through go fund or you know not

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go fund me but yeah different pages and

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donations I mean we've had a hundreds of

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people have been involved yeah yeah all